After $40 Million Giuliani Still Beaten By Ron Paul
WOW should Rudy drop out?
HP-Lost amid the celebration over Mitt Romney’s win in the Michigan primary on Tuesday night was an equally noteworthy electoral result. Rudy Giuliani, the one-time frontrunner for the Republican nomination, placed sixth in the state. The three percent of the vote he received was just one point higher than that cast for “uncommitted.” Even more remarkable, this was the second time in three primary elections that the former New York City mayor ended up behind five of his GOP competitors — including Ron Paul.
Despite spending an estimated $40 million in his pursuit of the White House, Giuliani has nary a primary victory to show. His political prospects have dimmed sharply in the past few weeks even as the Republican election has remained unpredictably wide-open. Indeed, the fact that Giuliani still stands a chance of grabbing the nomination – if he could pull off a victory in the upcoming Florida election – is more a credit to the weakness of the GOP, observers say, than to Giuliani’s particular strengths.
Even at Home, Backers Worry About Giuliani
Let’s compare the future from the perspectives of Giuliani and Paul:
1. Rudy has a great chance to win Florida, Paul is not in the running.
2. Rudy is leading over half of the states scheduled to vote on Feb. 5, Paul does not rise above 5th in ANY STATE.
3. McCain and Huckabee won states without securing the votes of a majority of Republicans…they both relied upon indies and fundies respectively. Neither will end up as the nominee, Paul has no significant base on which to rely.
4. Romney is the presumptive frontrunner leading in delegates and could end up winning the nomination if Rudy’s strategy fails, Paul only wins if all other candidates either quit or die.
Bottom line John, Rudy has a ROI based on polling in upcoming elections like NJ, NY, CA, FL, etc. Paul for all his millions raised has nothing to show unless you consider finishing 5th an accomplishment (and continuing to fall below 8% in every poll).
Paul’s investors are should be disappointed and he should go ahead and withdraw.
Bart
Now wait a minute……don’t confuse the issue with factual data! I’m surprised at you!
Clearly, everyone should drop out and give Paul the nomination. NOT!
Bart said
Paul has no significant base on which to rely.
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That is true. He only has citizens while the rest have the CFR, Bilderbergs, Tri-lateral commission, Wall St., Big Business, corrupt political leaders in the GOP, etc. supporting them along with the citizens they have supporting them
Ron Paul should drop out since he only has citizens tired of the GOP corruption supporting him.
I do agree he can’t win. And if by some miracle he did, Congress and the GOP and CFR and all the rest wouldn’t support any reforms we need. His Presidency would be a “do nothing” Presidency as long as voters continue to elect the Democrats and Republicans who continue to drive this nation toward the coming crisis.
Until the majority of voters realize how bad both parties are and reform them by throwing out their leadership, no President is going “beat Congress” and their irresponsible ways. As long as both parties are subject to the CFR, Central Banks, Wall St., U.N., international elite, etc. this nation can’t get the reforms it needs to avoid the coming economic collapse.
quote:
Ludwig von Mises:
“There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as a result of a voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion, or later as a final and total catastrophe of the currency system involved.”
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Bart and Sgt. Mac
The fact is Rudy spent 2mm and had the second most visits to NH (over a 100) and lost to Paul.
In Iowa he did the same and it was a tie with Paul and in Michigan Paul had twice as many votes.
In Florida and SC he had big numbers and it has been falling like everywhere else. Am I missing something?
Yes as usual you are missing something John…read post #2.
Iowa – race dominated by evangleicals on the GOP side…not exactly a group supportive of Rudy, thus the reason he did not anticipate success in IA.
New Hampshire – state dominated by independents, another group that usually does not side with a person like Rudy, but certainly apt to move toward somebody like Ron Paul — what happened?
Michigan – Again Paul had to be disappointed whereas Rudy did not play in that state.
Florida is Rudy’s firewall / starting point. You don’t have to win the first primaries to end up taking the nomination just as you don’t have to win the first 3 quarters of a football game to achieve victory at the finish.
Rudy vs. Paul is no comparison John…Rudy has been with the frontrunners since the beginning, Paul never got out of the gate. If anybody should drop out, it should be Paul.
Rudy took the early lead because of his name recognition nationwide. Once things got going, the voters looked at other choices and did different things. Rudy’s Florida gambit will tell if he waited too long to get more actively in the game.
Ron Paul’s difficulites have 2 main causes. First, he has the hardest message to sell. Most people have no idea what the Constitution says and think that since the elites are always talking about it, we must be following it. Secondly, RP is a poor communicator, at least in the debates. With a tough message to get out, he needs to be much better than he is.
As for dropping out, why should any of them quit? It won’t make any difference next January. The GOP (except RP) and the Dems are all big government internationalists.
Good points Joe. Also most voters don’t know you can’t get out of a mess like we are in without a long and deep recession or possibly a depression.
Thus, many don’t think we will have to cut defense spending, medicare spending, cut social security benefits, cut departments and have continued deflation in some things at the same time a weak dollar would drive up imports.
Until we end our consumer’s addiction to debt to fund their standard of living we can’t have a stable economy. Of course that also applies to city and state governments and corporations and the Federal government.
Neither party is good for American and neither party can stop what is coming unless the voters change their thinking.
Bart
You think Rudy can win a general election without independents and 30 to 50 percent of the GOP?
Jan,
You are right, nothing will change until this house of cards collapses because all of the candidates are internationalists, with the exception of myself and Ron Paul, both of us not likely at this point to get very far.
The people do not understand what is happening and they look at the problems as something for the government to solve. More government is less freedom, and all the rest of it that we all talk about on this and other sites.
I am greatly worried that when the New World Order kicks in, it will be irrevocable. This great nation born of freedom to die in the socialist chains of the New World Order! Very Sad!