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		<title>By: JohnKonop</title>
		<link>http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/another-backbencher-bails/comment-page-1#comment-59010</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnKonop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 22:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I left it blank, I told you that before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I left it blank, I told you that before.</p>
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		<title>By: bb</title>
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		<dc:creator>bb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you voted for Kerry? and Max Cleland?  Or did you just abstain from participation thus making your opinion of both Bush and Saxby irrelevant(assuming it had relevance to begin with).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you voted for Kerry? and Max Cleland?  Or did you just abstain from participation thus making your opinion of both Bush and Saxby irrelevant(assuming it had relevance to begin with).</p>
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		<title>By: JohnKonop</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnKonop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 02:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bart

I did not vote for Bush the second time! Also I never voted for Saxby, I respect the military.</description>
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<p>I did not vote for Bush the second time! Also I never voted for Saxby, I respect the military.</p>
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		<title>By: Jan Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jan Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 18:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hugh, I was inclined to agree that we made the mess with our intervention, but, think we need to look at it deeper.

First, we do have to go back to the original beginning of the war under Bush 1.  We were still in that war, under only a cease-fire.  We didn&#039;t rebuild the nation then nor did we need to this time.  

We won the war decisively as we did the first time but, this time we wanted to do more.  We wanted a new government and everything after that followed that goal and then we wanted that government to be an ally and sell oil in dollars again and not do what Saddam did by selling it in euros, weakening the dollar.

Then we wanted an &quot;ally&quot; against Iran that was moving toward the sale of oil in euros.  If we were going to go to war with them, we wanted to have a &quot;military presence&quot; next door in a friendly nation to us.

Then there was the advantage of massive defense spending that helped our economy out of the recession that was beginning to shape up before Bush took office.

The thing is, that we didn&#039;t create the mess in Iraq. Saddam did, originally by invading Kuwait, and then by violating the cease fire in every way he could.  WMD or not, the violations, like destroying (if he did) WMD stock piles the U.N. had documented, without U.N. supervision.   That violation, alone, was enough to &quot;justify&quot; the war.  We had no way of &quot;proving&quot; he had destroyed the WMD as required by the cease fire terms.  

But, we didn&#039;t have to blame ourselves for the mess.  We didn&#039;t have to &quot;fix&quot; anything more this time than the last. Our &quot;fixing&quot; had very little to do with the Iraq people and everything to do with our military positioning and our stimulating our economy.

I don&#039;t believe &quot;war,&quot; should be used for &quot;stimulating&quot; the economy.  I also don&#039;t believe that a weakening dollar should be justification for war.  Nor do I believe we should be dependent on foreign sales of oil in dollars to keep it propped up.

We do have a responsibility to finish something we started so, yes, I agree we need to finish the job.  That is the one major thing I disagree with Paul on although, he would, I sincerely believe, if Congress demanded it, continue to do what is necessary.  His major beef is a Congress that authorizes use of force without declaring war and then nitpicks and undermines everything that is done with that authorization for political gains.

It is why I wrote and opposed the war to begin with. I told my representatives that what has happened would happen due to the political war between the parties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hugh, I was inclined to agree that we made the mess with our intervention, but, think we need to look at it deeper.</p>
<p>First, we do have to go back to the original beginning of the war under Bush 1.  We were still in that war, under only a cease-fire.  We didn&#8217;t rebuild the nation then nor did we need to this time.  </p>
<p>We won the war decisively as we did the first time but, this time we wanted to do more.  We wanted a new government and everything after that followed that goal and then we wanted that government to be an ally and sell oil in dollars again and not do what Saddam did by selling it in euros, weakening the dollar.</p>
<p>Then we wanted an &#8220;ally&#8221; against Iran that was moving toward the sale of oil in euros.  If we were going to go to war with them, we wanted to have a &#8220;military presence&#8221; next door in a friendly nation to us.</p>
<p>Then there was the advantage of massive defense spending that helped our economy out of the recession that was beginning to shape up before Bush took office.</p>
<p>The thing is, that we didn&#8217;t create the mess in Iraq. Saddam did, originally by invading Kuwait, and then by violating the cease fire in every way he could.  WMD or not, the violations, like destroying (if he did) WMD stock piles the U.N. had documented, without U.N. supervision.   That violation, alone, was enough to &#8220;justify&#8221; the war.  We had no way of &#8220;proving&#8221; he had destroyed the WMD as required by the cease fire terms.  </p>
<p>But, we didn&#8217;t have to blame ourselves for the mess.  We didn&#8217;t have to &#8220;fix&#8221; anything more this time than the last. Our &#8220;fixing&#8221; had very little to do with the Iraq people and everything to do with our military positioning and our stimulating our economy.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe &#8220;war,&#8221; should be used for &#8220;stimulating&#8221; the economy.  I also don&#8217;t believe that a weakening dollar should be justification for war.  Nor do I believe we should be dependent on foreign sales of oil in dollars to keep it propped up.</p>
<p>We do have a responsibility to finish something we started so, yes, I agree we need to finish the job.  That is the one major thing I disagree with Paul on although, he would, I sincerely believe, if Congress demanded it, continue to do what is necessary.  His major beef is a Congress that authorizes use of force without declaring war and then nitpicks and undermines everything that is done with that authorization for political gains.</p>
<p>It is why I wrote and opposed the war to begin with. I told my representatives that what has happened would happen due to the political war between the parties.</p>
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		<title>By: Aubrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aubrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hugh,

I would guess that you believe that Iraq was a mess we created.  If that&#039;s the case, why don&#039;t you think we have a responsibility to fix it before we leave?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hugh,</p>
<p>I would guess that you believe that Iraq was a mess we created.  If that&#8217;s the case, why don&#8217;t you think we have a responsibility to fix it before we leave?</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 16:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cooltruth,
Another great post, your #16.

Although I would suggest we get out of Iraq now.  This &quot;war&quot; was false to begin with and I don&#039;t support projects that are based on lies.

The Neo-Cons, are Traitors, in my opinion, as they hold higher allegiance to other nations or concepts!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cooltruth,<br />
Another great post, your #16.</p>
<p>Although I would suggest we get out of Iraq now.  This &#8220;war&#8221; was false to begin with and I don&#8217;t support projects that are based on lies.</p>
<p>The Neo-Cons, are Traitors, in my opinion, as they hold higher allegiance to other nations or concepts!</p>
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		<title>By: bb</title>
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		<dc:creator>bb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 15:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,

Did you vote for Bush and Saxby???  Then you also supported the increase in debt.</description>
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<p>Did you vote for Bush and Saxby???  Then you also supported the increase in debt.</p>
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		<title>By: Cooltruth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cooltruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 11:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m against a continuous war in Iraq or anywhere. Time to either win or get out now that Saddam is gone. What is the point of continuing to keep troops over there? They have an agenda but it doesn&#039;t include more freedom for us or for the Iraqi people. Get the neocons out of government ASAP! They aren&#039;t for the USA First. They&#039;re for their own globalization agenda instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m against a continuous war in Iraq or anywhere. Time to either win or get out now that Saddam is gone. What is the point of continuing to keep troops over there? They have an agenda but it doesn&#8217;t include more freedom for us or for the Iraqi people. Get the neocons out of government ASAP! They aren&#8217;t for the USA First. They&#8217;re for their own globalization agenda instead.</p>
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		<title>By: Cooltruth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cooltruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 10:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron Paul is somebody to vote FOR instead of &#039;lesser of two evils&#039; like a choice between Hillary &amp; Rudy would&#039;ve been &amp; neocons can&#039;t stand THAT! For them, it has to be just a choice between two candidates we don&#039;t really want to vote for. The neocons are &#039;semitic supremacists&#039; which one will admit to(Kevin McCulloch on Townhall) when I called him on repeatedly referring to a &#039;white supremacist&#039; that contributed $500 to Ron Paul &amp; didn&#039;t give it back. This alleged &#039;white supremacist&#039; is actually a Jew who wants a neocon Republican or Hillary for President. Remember when Rudy was touted as &#039;the only Republican who can beat Hillary&#039; early in the race? I strongly prefer Ron Paul, but right now anybody who isn&#039;t a neocon would be preferrable to letting them continue to push their big government/big spending agenda on us!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron Paul is somebody to vote FOR instead of &#8216;lesser of two evils&#8217; like a choice between Hillary &amp; Rudy would&#8217;ve been &amp; neocons can&#8217;t stand THAT! For them, it has to be just a choice between two candidates we don&#8217;t really want to vote for. The neocons are &#8217;semitic supremacists&#8217; which one will admit to(Kevin McCulloch on Townhall) when I called him on repeatedly referring to a &#8216;white supremacist&#8217; that contributed $500 to Ron Paul &amp; didn&#8217;t give it back. This alleged &#8216;white supremacist&#8217; is actually a Jew who wants a neocon Republican or Hillary for President. Remember when Rudy was touted as &#8216;the only Republican who can beat Hillary&#8217; early in the race? I strongly prefer Ron Paul, but right now anybody who isn&#8217;t a neocon would be preferrable to letting them continue to push their big government/big spending agenda on us!</p>
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		<title>By: JohnKonop</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnKonop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 03:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bart

SPIN SPIN SPIN!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bart</p>
<p>SPIN SPIN SPIN!</p>
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