What you are saying is Al Gore is a liar! Because he as well as many of the pro NAFTA bi-partisans NAFTA group sales pitch was it would reduce illegal immigration!
What the elitist group lead by Al Gore said was NAFTA would raise wages in Mexico which would reduce the flow of illegal immigration.
The truth is wages went backwards in Mexico and hear and the environment was destroyed via the movement to manufacturing to Mexico.
But please do not let facts get in the way how you feel about the issue!

But, if it is “so elementary,” how come you can’t explain it, or cite a source?
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Must be that silly “everyone knows,” eh?

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(Um, you don’t want to make bets with me. I do this stuff for a living.)

If you can ever see through the haze this stuff becomes so elementary that a kindergartener could figure it out. Not that this is an original thought or anything. But right now I don’t have the time to search this stuff. Can you disprove what I said? Wanna bet $1000.00? Make it worth my while.

I completely misread the “Open Borders thinking/thinkers generally supported the war in Iraq, those who oppose Open Borders typically opposed the it.”

I reject that thinking.
There is no connection between those who support Open Borders (is there such a thing?) and support for this horrible war.

None.

I don’t care if it is “globalist philosophy” or an invasion from Mars. This is nothing more than another attempt to distract from the illegal and immoral invasion, destruction and occupation of another sovereign nation for no good reason at all.

This malAdministration fails on one issue, and to try to distract from that by bringing up other, minor failings only perpetuates the treason.

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LeftHook,

“Open Borders thinking/thinkers generally supported the war in Iraq, those who oppose Open Borders typically opposed the it.”

—In that case, you may put me firmly and very proudly in the Open Borders camp.

Will you join me there?

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Bill,

You seem to think free traders and globalists (whatever that means) have a unified objective. May I ask what your source is on that view?

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Mr Konop,

“Both Parties said NAFTA would reduce illegal immigration. Now, after NAFTA, illegal immigration grew out of control.”

—You are guilty of a causal fallacy. Just because one events temporally follows another does not mean A caused B.

A caused B if and only if (1) A preceded B, and (2) events like A are always followed by events like B.

Example: In the 20th century, both the atmospheric CO-2 level and American crime levels increased sharply. Hence, atmospheric CO2 causes American crime.

Perfectly logical, and complete nonsense because correlation does not imply causation.

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NAFTA caused a surge in illegal immigration?
Aristotle would have flunked you.

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raidencraig,

It is unpatriotic to trivialize impeachment in this way.

Dubious can be impeached on much more important grounds than mere immigration, and should be.

No quarter for treason.

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Skeptical Economist, made great points! Nothing to say?

You should read his article on trade. I do agree it is great to have bright people like Raidencraig and Skepticaleconomist, posting on this site.

That is why we need to talk about the trade and immigration as one policy.