Former critics see progress in Iraq
While the DC defeatocrats spend every waking hour trashing America’s military from their secure place within the beltway, General Patreus is kicking butt in Iraq and the troops are responding. This will likely piss off some on this blog because the following firsthand account from critics of the Bush Doctrine proves progress is being made since Patreus was allowed to implement his strategy for victory. Get over it…the truth will set you free!
What happened in America that caused so many to root for the defeat of our military effort against terrorists? Good news like this comes out of Iraq almost daily yet the MSM always finds a way to suppress the positive in favor of doom and gloom prognostications of inevitable failure. We need more reports like this from critics of the war who now see real progress.
From today’s New York Times (not exactly part of the Neocon/Bush right wing conspiracy) — “VIEWED from Iraq, where we just spent eight days meeting with American and Iraqi military and civilian personnel, the political debate in Washington is surreal. The Bush administration has over four years lost essentially all credibility. Yet now the administration’s critics, in part as a result, seem unaware of the significant changes taking place”
July 31st, 2007 at 1:16 pm
Bart
The government of Iraq will not work with each other. How can they ever take over security?
July 31st, 2007 at 1:24 pm
John,
As opposed to members of the United States government where everybody works together to “take over security”? Hmmmm?
Despite the vast split in our own government, we find a way to survive and thrive. Do you support splitting America into three parts with say dems taking the left coast, GOPers on the right, undecided “independents” in the middle? Would this scenario make America more secure by ending the political rift between parties?
Every country has differences John. America spent the better part of the 19th Century ironing out severe disagreements over states rights and found a way to unite under one flag again after the war of northern agression was resolved. Call me an optimist, but I believe the same can happen in Iraq AFTER some semblance of security is in place through the military effort. Then a political solution can have a chance for long term success.
July 31st, 2007 at 1:30 pm
BTW John, they are taking over security…that is one of the main points of the firsthand account in the story…read for yourself.
July 31st, 2007 at 1:30 pm
Bart
The war of northern aggression?
Come on Bart. Get over it. The South got beat. No offense intended, simply a fact. It was called the Civil War, not the war of “northern agression.”
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July 31st, 2007 at 1:33 pm
OK, War Between the States…there was nothing civil about it.
July 31st, 2007 at 1:54 pm
Good news is welcome, but it doesn’t answer many of the questions I have. Such as:
1) How long does the surge go on? Current troop levels are not sustainable for long.
2) What happens to all these soldiers and policemen we’re training? Whoever ends up with control of internal security will have major political leverage. We could end up with a military coup, or worse a Beria-like strongman.
3) After having provided valuable on-the-job training to jihadis, is our Iraq adventure an overall positive or negative?
It’s a little late to have these discussions, but to broadly paint people who are unenthusiastic about Iraq as people who are rooting for defeat is offensive and stupid.
July 31st, 2007 at 2:15 pm
Bart
It only matters if Iraq can maintain the security without our military.
And it does not look like they are going to work with each other.
July 31st, 2007 at 2:31 pm
Bart
Do you even understand the history between the Sunnis and shiities?
FROM Scott Ritter, a former Marine intelligence officer, served as a chief weapons inspector for the United Nations in Iraq from 1991 to 1998.
“Both Shiite and Sunni view one another as deviants from the pure form of Islam as taught by Muhammad, and as such functioning as apostates deserving death”.
This is known by anyone who has ever read a book about the Middle East!
This is why rational people and most experts doubt a strong federal government that respects minorities rights will work in the Middle East.
July 31st, 2007 at 7:03 pm
LOL! You’re using an op ed piece written by neocon Bush apologists as proof! Wow, that’s material worthy of the Daily Show. Perhaps John Stewart will start using your posts and you’ll make some extra money on the side! Have you considered a career as a comedic writer?
July 31st, 2007 at 8:07 pm
Bart - these two writers are shills.
July 31st, 2007 at 8:52 pm
Mad Dog
Civil War, War of Northern Aggression. You say tomato I say tomato.
July 31st, 2007 at 8:57 pm
Does “success” mean we pull out sooner or does it mean we stay longer?
I just keep imagining some giant digital calculator running up trillions of dollars for the war on Terror and the numbers are just increasing at breakneck speed. Oh man I’m distressed.
July 31st, 2007 at 10:57 pm
John,
Convicted pedophiles are not the best sources to reference regarding the Middle East. Scott Ritter…is this the best you can do?
No surprise on the response from defeatocrats…good news = Bush shill…bad news = reliable source….you people are so predictable.
August 1st, 2007 at 5:56 am
Bart
AMEN!
VOTE NO! on socialized medicine - It will bankrupt the Nation!
August 1st, 2007 at 6:32 am
Bart
What he wrote is general knowledge for anyone who read anything about the conflict between Sunni and Shiite.
Try reading about Iraq not just NEOCON talking points! Please tell me what he said that was factually wrong?
But hey please do not let facts get in the way you feel!
August 1st, 2007 at 6:37 am
Typical Retardican b.s. from bb. He can’t tell the difference between opinion and fact.. LOL.
August 1st, 2007 at 7:26 am
FYI
Sunni Bloc Quits Iraq Government; Attacks Kill 67 in Baghdad
FOX-Iraq’s largest Sunni Arab political bloc announced its withdrawal from the government Wednesday, undermining Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki’s efforts to seek reconciliation among the country’s rival factions.
Violence continued unabated, with 50 people killed and 60 wounded when a homicide attacker exploded a fuel truck near a gas station in western Baghdad. Another 17 died in a separate car bomb attack in a central region of the capital. The U.S. military announced the deaths of three American soldiers killed by a sophisticated, armor-piercing bomb.
Rafaa al-Issawi, a leading member of the Front, said at a news conference in the capital that the bloc’s six Cabinet ministers would submit their resignations later in the day.
Al-Issawi said the decision to pull out from the government followed what he called al-Maliki’s failure to respond to a set of demands put forward by the Accordance Front last week, when it gave the prime minister seven days to meet its demands. The ultimatum expired Wednesday.
Among the demands: a pardon for security detainees not charged with specific crimes, the disbanding of militias and the participation of all groups represented in the government in dealing with security issues.
August 1st, 2007 at 9:01 am
John,
I wouldn’t read Ritter analysis if he knew the lottery numbers in advance…he is a scumbag pedophile who will eventually get caught and convicted with real jail time.
You’re acting as if Ritter discovered the centuries old hostilities between these two muslim factions. He, like you has a keen sense of the obvious, but no clue about how to address the problem.
August 1st, 2007 at 9:52 am
Bart
What did he say that was factually wrong about the conflict between Sunnis and Shiites?
Once again Bart you say what you feel with no facts about the core issues. You are the king of talking points and kill the messenger.