HAAAAH ha ha !!! oooh HAAAAAAH ha ha The VP just Kills me man!!
oooh no, I can’t breathe. . . i cannnt Breeeathe!!!
Barrrrrrt. Eeevil, SgtMac
This is even better that the “Darkside ” quote that VP Dick used.
Now, you’ll know that I usually don’t post links from others. I believe that that’s a cheap bush league way of communicating what the poster hopes others thinks that he or she believes, without having to use any intellect to advance the idea.
(((Not to discount the times when a good clip from another news source is valuable.)))
Rightly or wrongly, ineffectively or massively ineffectively, I’ve tried to paste my own ideas on the board for the most part and although they may be only worth a warm bucket of spit, they are usually better than most others. (((a lil ol’ plug for me)))
Speaking of the warm bucket of spit, this interview, I knew had been around, but I’ve never had the wherewithal to find it.
But this puts such a fantastic focus on the current criminal enterprise, now resideing in the executive branch of our government, that it brings uproarious hilarity along with the pitiful trauma of the moment.
This is clearly the keystone administration.
This is so tragically funny and cruel a dark light on the Vice President now, that I have to post this link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BEsZMvrq-I
share this amongst you all, won’t you?
Gene Out
GENE!
DUDE!
WHOA!!!!!!!!!!!
Nice post, man. I don’t care how you got. Thank you for sharing it.
De Mad Dog
Gene
I’m with Cheney on this one. I might have to steal that one for my blog.
Wow. I knew they were saying stuff like that in response to criticism about not going all the way to Baghdad.
But I didn’t know there was a single clip like this. Wow.
That is what the NIE report said before the war!
WOW Bart, Mac….. I cannot hear you??????
Please, please!!!
’spain this luuuucyyyyy.
I’ve been sayin since the beginning that this is not a Lib vs. Con argument or war. . . it’s an unjust vs. justified fight. . . . and whatever SHRRRED of justifacation that they used just left town!!!
Maybe Bush is President, Cheney the VP after all…DUH!
Last I checked, the president sets policy, VP follows. Unless in your socialist utopian world John where all are equal, no chain of command.
John
You can hear me now. Is this supposed to be some big discovery or revelation? This has been around for years. In fact, I saw this while I was still on active duty if I’m not mistaken and I’ve been retired for nearly 10 years. Even Shwartzkopf (sp?) thought going to Baghdad was the right thing to do but he was over-ruled by Bush the elder. Colin Powell had political aspirations and sided with his boss. Big surprise? I don’t think so.
This is almost an identical example of Patton wanting to take out our Russian “allies” during WWII and being over-ruled by the people in Washington.
As usual, the politicians didn’t pay any attention to the military experts and, instead of doing the job completely the first time, we were forced to do it over. If you recall, the cold war took over 40 years to win.
I don’t see why this is so earth shattering. Please explain.
Oh, and Gene, please explain why, exactly, there is some sort of “criminal enterprise” at work.
SOCIALIZED MEDICINE WILL BANKRUPT THE NATION!
Chip Rogers for U.S. Senate!
Adendum to post #8 above -
After sending this video to a close friend I served with, I am offering my “mea culpa” for part of what I said above. This is not the same video I was thinking of, but the content IS identical.
In fact, the friend I shared it with is a retired Colonel and he remembered EXACTLY the video I was thinking about.
I stand partially corrected.
SOCIALIZED MEDICINE WILL BANKRUPT THE COUNTRY!
Chip Rogers for U.S. Senate!
Bart and Mac
How was Cheney wrong with why not to invade Iraq?
Awesome.
It isn’t liberals vs. conservatives.
It isn’t even Democrats vs. Republican’ts.
It is good vs. EVIL, nothing less.
Cheney had it all wrong.
Clearly going into Iraq hasn’t been a quaqmire. It’s a lovefest with good feelings overflowing for all to bath in.
I’m glad he came around in 2003. If only we had more leaders like him (but I could do without his flipflopping).
bart – I take it you’re not into books so much…
Bush has been in charge of our foreign policy up till now…that’s your belief?
Military experts are 95% jerk-offs, and the remaining 5% are the ones who give an honest answer that a higher-up doesn’t want to hear and get fired for it.
You’ve got your head up your arse on this one mac. What single decision has a general made in either the Vietnam or Iraq wars that has ended up producing positive results? Name me one general from either campaign who predicted the future correctly.
The amount of credit “military experts” get in our society is most of the problem to begin with. And like I said, 95% of them will shove that “expertise” up their own arse and nod like a bobble-head on command.
Case in point – Patraeus – who wrote an army field manual for battling an insurgency, most of which is already too late to implement in Iraq, and you can bet the farm on the fact that no matter what happens in Iraq, the guy will come back asking for more time, more soldiers, more more more more more…
Once the war is on and obviously lost, THAT IS ALL THE MILITARY IS GOOD FOR.
More of this, more of that…and when it all turns to shiet, they start talking ragtime about how we weren’t willing to use enough force.
You’ll go down with this ship mac…I get that. No matter what happens, you’re programmed to think that any war America is in, that it’s like the last five minutes of Rocky 2. It is intellectually dishonest though, to pretend that your worldview washes at all with what Cheney said in ‘94 and the fact that only after being CEO of Halliburton, was he suddenly ENLIGHTENED to the GREAT IDEA of invading Iraq.
Give me a break.
Some things change and THINGS ARE NOT THE SAME:
Saddam hadn’t been evading inspections for 12 years in 94.
2 US embassies hadn’t been blown up by Muslims in 94.
A US warship hadn’t been blown up by Muslims in 94.
3000 civilians hadn’t been killed by Muslims in the WTC in 94.
American Idol didn’t exist in 1994. Coincidence?
Al,
Re: Post #13 – In typical wind bag know-it-all style, you blow a whole lot of smoke without any fire Al.
Your disdain for anything military shines through as usual.
I know you hate it Al, but Patton was right and so was Shwartzkopf. Much could have been saved or averted had the power brokers listened to the experts – that wouold be the MILITARY EXPERTS Al. I know that really irks you, but it’s accurate and you know it. You’re just attempting to twist it like you do other stuff here. Oh, please don’t babble on about Viet Nam Al. As I said in another thread, you don’t know JACK about Viet Nam, other than the revisionist crap you post here – .5% accurate and 99.5% wind bag Al.
Perhaps you should go and testify for your hero Jose Padilla. See where the revisionist crap gets you there Al.
As usual, you have to express your ridiculous, left-wing OPINION with your typically awful language.
I don’t give a rat’s backside what YOUR opinion is Al, for two good reasons;
1. It’s wrong and nothing ANYONE says will make it any different. You make it up as you go along. Good luck with that.
2. You, like the rest of your leftist cronies, are going to be squirming like the worms you are when the September report comes back positive. In fact, it’s already started. Even your friend Dick “American Forces are mercenaries” Durbin is backing off because Patraeus is getting the job done, and you hate it that America’s winning – it doesn’t suit your leftist agenda.
Go stick your head in a deeper hole Al. Unless you can bend over far enough to stick it elswhere. That’s where you have it most of the time anyway.
FLY THE FLAG! SUPPORT THE TROOPS INCLUDING THE GENERALS!
Chip Rogers for U.S. Senate
Mac
The GENERALS, CIA, and most military experts warned us not to invade Iraq for what Cheney said in this video.
Why do you think you know more than the experts? And it looks like they are right and you are wrong!
hoads
How would the invasion of Iraq in 1994 stopped 9/11?
In fact the NIE report and Cheney makes it sound like we would of created more terrorist and unrest not less had we done that.
If I follow your logic we should have attacked Saudi Arabia since most the terrorist came from that country and the Saudi family gave the terrorist money.
John
Pay attention now….even YOU should understand this…we LIBERATED KUWAIT after that maniac in Iraq invaded them. That video was made in 1994 and if you read ANYTHING by General Shwartzkopf et al, you’ll find the generals WANTED to go to Baghdad to keep Sadaam from attempting to do to others what he attempted to do to Kuwait.
Now, try and follow this John, I know it’s difficult for you………..As hoads related, the stakes changed considerably between 1994 and 9/11. You on the left completely ignore that fact. This is PRECISELY why the Generals were RIGHT. History proves it.
This lunatic in Iraq used WMD on his OWN people, refused to comply with MANDATORY U.N. Inspections, made a mockery of the free world with the oil for food debacle, etc, etc.
His constant refusal to adhere to INTERNATIONAL U.N. resolutions got him EXACTLY what he deserved. I only wish we’d listened to Schwartzkopf and taken care of business earlier.
You need to join Al and pull your head out. If we’d done what Schwartzkopf and others recommended, we wouldn’t have had to do what we’re doing now.
Get in the game John. The video is from 1994. the seven years that elapsed between than and 9/11 changed everything. It’s a shame you left wing zealots don’t understand that.
SUPPORT THE TROOPS AND FLY THE FLAG!
Chip Rogers for U.S. Senate!
Let’s start a grassroots campaign to get the Eeevil Conservative her OWN radio show! At least we’ll get some facts instead of left-wing talking points.
We liberated Kuwait,all right, you are correct but don’t make it seem like those Kuwaitis were some helpless weifs were so glad to see their American liberators.
There are quite a few Kuwaitis don’t like us.
And this just proves the point that the generals who wanted to go to Baghdad in ‘94 were wrong!!!!
if we would have gone to Baghdad then, we would have had this quagmire then.
DUUUUUUH!!!!!!!!!
I will say this for you though, you are quite correct in saying that Patton was right in his wanting to challenge the Russians immediately after WWII, but that was a totally, totally different situation and different ((Westernized European military))) mindset.
I noticed SgtMac, that when you don’t agree with someone, they are automatically left wing this, or left wing that.
When your parents spanked you as a child, did you grumble under your breath ” you old liberal, left wing old farts.
Gene out
oops!!!! i meant in when we went in, in ‘91.
my fat fingers aint woikin’ so good today
Gene,
Did you also notice John and his likeminded libs call everybody Neocon, traitor, parasite, etc. when they disagree?
Thus the question, did John enjoy being spanked by Linda and caroline for running as a GOPer last year?
Bart
LOL!
Gene
Your attempt at humor aside, you couldn’t be more wrong.
You’re right about one thing though, Gene out – way out.
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS! FLY THE FLAG OF THE GREATEST, MOST PROSPEROUS NATION THE WORLD HAS EVER KNOWN!
Mac
Your facts are wrong watch.
hmmmmm!!! Sgtmac
Powell back in ‘93:
Question: Cal Waller, when he heard that the war was going to be ended, he thought it was a joke, he thought Schwarzkopf was joking and he said “It was bullshit. We’ve haven’t destroyed the Republican Guard….we haven’t encircled them.” And Cal Waller says, “You’ve got to live by your mission accomplishment and our mission was to cut these guys off and destroy them and we hadn’t done it.” What do you say to him?
Powell: All I could say to Cal is that on the 27th of February, when we reached that point, and when the question was put to us as to whether or not we had done enough to say we’ve accomplished our mission in a way that minimized the loss of life, clearly had accomplished the mission, and we were now just killing and destroying for the purpose of killing and destroying, it was a legitimate political question being asked by the Commander-in-Chief, and the answer was “Yes.”
It came from me. It came from General Schwarzkopf. I’m sure it didn’t satisfy every commander below that level who are like I want them to be, aggressive guys who want to go all the way to the top of the hill and destroy the enemy.
But the political judgment was made with my military advice and with General Schwarzkopf’s concurrence, that this was the time to stop the war. And I think it was a sound, sustainable, justifiable, political decision for the President to make.”
Gene out
Key word — POLITICAL.
Schwarzkopf said if he had been given ONE MORE DAY, he could have totally wiped out the Republican National Guard and most of the remaining Iraqi military equipment. But then it would have been called the ‘Five Day War’, so the marketeers in DC decided they liked ‘100 Hour War’ better.
Hmmmm. so maybe we should cool it on the epithets and go back to intellectual debates and/or commentary
gene out
Gentlemen
I refer you to post #8 above. Bush made a decision, Powell didn’t want to louse up his political aspirations, and Schwartzkopf did what his boss, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, told him to do. Nothing you’ve posted refutes that assertion.
To bolster the point, I recommend you read Scwartzkopf’s book. Maybe then you’ll see that I’m correct.
Schwartkopf had no political aspirations and acted preciseley the way a professional soldier should have acted. Don’t take my word for it John, LOOK IT UP!
Maybe at that point, you and Al will stop attempting to re-write history to fit your agenda.
Here’s a side note just for Al; Schwartzkopf had developed plans for a middle eastern invasion more than two years BEFORE we went in. Boy, those military Generals sure don’t know what they’re doing do they Al? Imagine that, a General with the foresight to have plans at the ready…..who would have guessed it right Al?
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS AND FLY THE FLAG OF THE GREATEST NATION ON THE PLANET!
Damn!!!!!!
SgtMac, you post #8 does say almost that!!!!!!
I will concede that point!!!
this jumping around from thread to thread is maddening.
HOWEVER!!!!!
aren’t you ooh so glad the military is subordinate to civilian control
sometimes it seems as though some of you think that if the military wanted anything to be thusly so. . . it should be so.
isn’t that the definition of a bully. someone who fights (((especially those percieved to be weaker))) and thinks afterwards.
Gene out
Gene
It may surprise you to know that I think it’s ESSENTIAL to have the military under civilian control.
The point I was making was simply to refute Al’s ludicrous assertion that the military generals don’t know anything (please see post #14 above.)
You see, unlike Al, I’ve had first-hand experience with high ranking military officers and the vast majority are the sharpest, most dedicated professionals I’ve ever been fortunate enough to be around.
This may surprise you, but ALL of them would agree with you and I about civilian control. It’s a CLEAR Constitutional point.
Don’t you think the trained volkswagon mechanic working on your beetle knows more about it than you do? The same holds true for military personnel in general, but senior military officers in particular. It’s easy to say “you should do something this way or that way,” but the savy individual will let the experts do it the way they’ve been trained to do it. I believe that to be a key difference between Al and I. You see, he thinks they don’t know what they’re doing, while I’m CERTAIN they do.
Good post Gene. It got people debating.
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General Schwartzkopf Why Not to Invade Iraq
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We had inspectors in there up till 1998, and then prior to Powell’s UN presentation, there had been inspectors at the very cites he highlighted in his speech that day, and there was nothing there. You don’t know what you’re talking about.
Not by Saddam, but by Osama’s people while he was in Sudan.
Again, not Saddam. Al Qaeda
OK, they’re brown skined, and that means they’re all the same right hoads? Pakistani, Saudi, Jordanian…all the same thing, right? You’re laying blame for 9/11 on “THE MIDDLE EAST” basically.
How is that right? How is it right to lay blame for 9/11 on Iraq’s doorstep? Such details may not mean a whole lot to you, but you weren’t the one whose family got killed before your own head was chopped off by maniacs.
I don’t know Jack about Vietnam, yet you probably can’t name a single general that was right about that situation and what the S. Vietnamese needed to succeed. General Harkins? Westmoreland? How about ANY of the Chiefs of Staff at the time?
WW2 analysis showed how ineffective bombing turned out being in Europe. A heavily industrialized region compared with a swamp in Vietnam, yet the MILITARY EXPERTS were in agreement (with the exception of Ball and a couple others) that bombing North Vietnam would cripple their ability to operate, and serve as a spanking of sorts, get them to the negotiating table with their tail between their legs.
In WW2, bombing had the opposite effect on the Germans. It made them MORE villigant and more willing to fight. The MILITARY EXPERTS…
You cite Schzwartzkoph and Patton, which is convenient, right? Hell, why don’t I pick Mark Price and Lebron James and then argue that the Cleveland Cavaliers are an historic NBA franchise, up there with the Lakers and Celtics?
I don’t have to prove that I’ve done my homework, because it shows. You wave that off as “know it all”…as if knowledge was such a bad thing. How about you show what YOU know about Vietnam!
Have you read David Halberstam’s book ‘The Best and the Brightest’? If not, why? You know something about Vietnam, but you’ve never read that book?
How old are you Mac? It just might be that you’ve had 2 decades longer on this earth than I have, and I can lecture you on military history and the Vietnam War.
What kind of a sergeant are you? All beer can, no book smarts?
Bring it…what do you know about military history and Vietnam that you haven’t heard spoken to you out of your radio or seen on the History Channel?
Way ahead of you sarge – the man is brilliant, what’s your point exactly?
ONE general is able to get in and out as advertised and suddenly the entire enterprise is legit?