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	<title>Comments on: N.J. bill: Rights for gays, siblings</title>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/nj-bill-rights-for-gays-siblings#comment-5541</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 22:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't agree with civil Unions but in the spirit of Compromise I've said before I don't mind if they close the gap regarding benefits.  And I'm for retaining the def. of marriage as between members of the opposite sex.  But if we keep fighting over this stuff we're all gonna need some vaseline.  We're being distracted while Rome is burning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t agree with civil Unions but in the spirit of Compromise I&#8217;ve said before I don&#8217;t mind if they close the gap regarding benefits.  And I&#8217;m for retaining the def. of marriage as between members of the opposite sex.  But if we keep fighting over this stuff we&#8217;re all gonna need some vaseline.  We&#8217;re being distracted while Rome is burning.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/nj-bill-rights-for-gays-siblings#comment-5517</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 20:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/nj-bill-rights-for-gays-siblings#comment-5517</guid>
		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.njfpc.org/html/famInitiative/MarriageBuilders.pdf" rel="nofollow"&gt;Marriage Builders PDF from the NJFPC website&lt;/a&gt;

Interesting position... more pro-traditional marriage than anything else. I'm eager to see if this position is popular overall. I suspect that the reporter who wrote the article may have misrepresented the groups position on the issue. Either that or this advocacy group has changed gears rather suddenly in response to the court ruling. I suspect that this is a fallback position on the issue and it is easier to overturn a ruling from the bench related to civil unions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.njfpc.org/html/famInitiative/MarriageBuilders.pdf" rel="nofollow">Marriage Builders PDF from the NJFPC website</a></p>
<p>Interesting position&#8230; more pro-traditional marriage than anything else. I&#8217;m eager to see if this position is popular overall. I suspect that the reporter who wrote the article may have misrepresented the groups position on the issue. Either that or this advocacy group has changed gears rather suddenly in response to the court ruling. I suspect that this is a fallback position on the issue and it is easier to overturn a ruling from the bench related to civil unions.</p>
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		<title>By: Al Swearengen</title>
		<link>http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/nj-bill-rights-for-gays-siblings#comment-5482</link>
		<dc:creator>Al Swearengen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 14:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/nj-bill-rights-for-gays-siblings#comment-5482</guid>
		<description>paul, I think the main gay PAC hired away some political advisors from the pro-life movement...they turned out to be one note.  

Equal, outside of math, is an entirely subjective concept, especially in politics.  And in a democracy, the word 'equal' is most often applied in a way that would make Einstein shiver and vomit uncontrollably.  

And since I'm already giving a lot of thought to pulling my two one year old sons out of the coal pits and training them to be divorce lawyers instead - a position that doesn't require a union card - this civil unions/marriage distinction is six of one, half dozen of the other as I see it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>paul, I think the main gay PAC hired away some political advisors from the pro-life movement&#8230;they turned out to be one note.  </p>
<p>Equal, outside of math, is an entirely subjective concept, especially in politics.  And in a democracy, the word &#8216;equal&#8217; is most often applied in a way that would make Einstein shiver and vomit uncontrollably.  </p>
<p>And since I&#8217;m already giving a lot of thought to pulling my two one year old sons out of the coal pits and training them to be divorce lawyers instead - a position that doesn&#8217;t require a union card - this civil unions/marriage distinction is six of one, half dozen of the other as I see it.</p>
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		<title>By: paul walter</title>
		<link>http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/nj-bill-rights-for-gays-siblings#comment-5477</link>
		<dc:creator>paul walter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 13:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/nj-bill-rights-for-gays-siblings#comment-5477</guid>
		<description>Nice to read  Al's optimistic take.
 Gee, the notion "marriage" sure carries some heavy emotional baggage with it, doesn't it?
 Some people are never going to be convinced that "marriage" by definition applies to anything but heterosexual unions. 
 I agree with your ideas about civil ceremonies.
 We should have escaped from the era of belting crap out of people who are different.  On the other hand, perhaps gays could do themselves a favour in being a bit magnanimous rather than confrontational, of something that carries such powerful personal and cultural coin for conventionals, at least until they find the right means of persuasion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice to read  Al&#8217;s optimistic take.<br />
 Gee, the notion &#8220;marriage&#8221; sure carries some heavy emotional baggage with it, doesn&#8217;t it?<br />
 Some people are never going to be convinced that &#8220;marriage&#8221; by definition applies to anything but heterosexual unions.<br />
 I agree with your ideas about civil ceremonies.<br />
 We should have escaped from the era of belting crap out of people who are different.  On the other hand, perhaps gays could do themselves a favour in being a bit magnanimous rather than confrontational, of something that carries such powerful personal and cultural coin for conventionals, at least until they find the right means of persuasion.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/nj-bill-rights-for-gays-siblings#comment-5469</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 06:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/nj-bill-rights-for-gays-siblings#comment-5469</guid>
		<description>LOL Al, too true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL Al, too true.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/nj-bill-rights-for-gays-siblings#comment-5465</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 04:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/nj-bill-rights-for-gays-siblings#comment-5465</guid>
		<description>Any ground given in apeasement is too much. Calling the group that put this proposal forward, conservative, is not accurate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any ground given in apeasement is too much. Calling the group that put this proposal forward, conservative, is not accurate.</p>
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		<title>By: Al Swearengen</title>
		<link>http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/nj-bill-rights-for-gays-siblings#comment-5463</link>
		<dc:creator>Al Swearengen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 04:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/nj-bill-rights-for-gays-siblings#comment-5463</guid>
		<description>Civil unions are the obvious way to go.  It's an American solution to a matter the entire world is bound to be faced with some day.  

When the slaves were liberated, they couldn't vote.  Baby steps.  It's how we manage to stay on top for so long.  The hard-liners dig their nails into the dirt, kick and scream the whole way, but eventually the right thing happens, piece by piece.

In ten years time we'll look at the prison population and decide that marijuana possession isn't a good charge to fill up a cell for.  State by state...just like gays looking to make the misery official.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Civil unions are the obvious way to go.  It&#8217;s an American solution to a matter the entire world is bound to be faced with some day.  </p>
<p>When the slaves were liberated, they couldn&#8217;t vote.  Baby steps.  It&#8217;s how we manage to stay on top for so long.  The hard-liners dig their nails into the dirt, kick and scream the whole way, but eventually the right thing happens, piece by piece.</p>
<p>In ten years time we&#8217;ll look at the prison population and decide that marijuana possession isn&#8217;t a good charge to fill up a cell for.  State by state&#8230;just like gays looking to make the misery official.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/nj-bill-rights-for-gays-siblings#comment-5432</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 02:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/nj-bill-rights-for-gays-siblings#comment-5432</guid>
		<description>(Compair to: "Let's go to Vegas and get Married".)  The second one just sounds better.  No offense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Compair to: &#8220;Let&#8217;s go to Vegas and get Married&#8221;.)  The second one just sounds better.  No offense.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/nj-bill-rights-for-gays-siblings#comment-5431</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 02:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/nj-bill-rights-for-gays-siblings#comment-5431</guid>
		<description>"Let's go to Jersey and get a Civil Union"???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Let&#8217;s go to Jersey and get a Civil Union&#8221;???</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Warbiany</title>
		<link>http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/nj-bill-rights-for-gays-siblings#comment-5420</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Warbiany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 01:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/nj-bill-rights-for-gays-siblings#comment-5420</guid>
		<description>I believe in civil unions for everybody.

A lot of the problem in this debate is that marriage has two definitions: the legal contractual definition and the holy religious definition.  Let's give the legal contract a different name.  Take government out of the business of issuing "marriage" licenses entirely, make them civil unions for everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe in civil unions for everybody.</p>
<p>A lot of the problem in this debate is that marriage has two definitions: the legal contractual definition and the holy religious definition.  Let&#8217;s give the legal contract a different name.  Take government out of the business of issuing &#8220;marriage&#8221; licenses entirely, make them civil unions for everyone.</p>
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