Comments on: Ron Paul & Mitt Romney win debate?

By: rudy

rudy — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 05:33:03 +0000

Bart people like you are the reason I am getting out of the military next week. I have served 5 years 2 of them in Iraq (AND FOR WHAT!?!?!) I am done sacrificing my time, freinds, family… LIFE for people like you that dont respect the very thing I am supposed to be fighting for, FREEDOM! If you realy disbelive paul maybe you should read some history or philisophy, hell even economics. I’ll give you some names. Bastiat, Hayek, plato, Aristotle, milton freidman, Socraes, Adam Smith, Thomas Jefferson. These are the people who shaped our contry and I have read multiple works from Each and every one of them… Listining to you speak makes me sick, you are ignorant ill informed and disgusting.

“The man who will sacrifice his freedom for a little bit of security deserves nor shall recive neither.”
-Benjerman Franklin

By: JohnKonop

JohnKonop — Sat, 19 May 2007 14:19:15 +0000

caroline

They are revolting that is why Chavez is a hero after CAFTA in Central America. The Oman trade deal is being used against us in the Middle East by Bin Laden.

By: caroline

caroline — Sat, 19 May 2007 12:09:48 +0000

Well John, if the people won’t revolt now at the terrible wages why would they revolt with tarriffs? It won’t effect their pay-it will still be cents per hour. Perhaps we should put pressure on their leaders by not trading with them. Losing those jobs, it seems to me, would have a greater effect than letting them to continue to pay poverty wages.

By: JohnKonop

JohnKonop — Sat, 19 May 2007 01:02:23 +0000

Also it lower tension with the people and let them focus it on the leaders if they do not raise standards.

By: JohnKonop

JohnKonop — Sat, 19 May 2007 01:00:53 +0000

If we put a high enough penalties the problem will fix itself.

By: caroline

caroline — Sat, 19 May 2007 00:52:12 +0000

Why then even trade with them at all? If they are stealing, won’t enforce the international trade laws then why should we even deal with them. Tarriffs won’t solve that problem.

And the could pay 14 cents an hour or 1 cent an hour. Why not just say “if you don’t participate in fair trade practices, we don’t trade with you.” End of discussion.

By: JohnKonop

JohnKonop — Fri, 18 May 2007 11:54:32 +0000

caroline

You cannot go much lower on wages ( 28 cents an hour when they pay) that they are at now in places like Oman, China…..

If the fine is high enough it would be cheaper to give living wages out.

As I said would you keep giving goods to someone who steals from you.

BTW the IP theft alone is 200 billion dollars a year!

How do you ever win if China steals the IP rights?

By: caroline

caroline — Fri, 18 May 2007 11:40:19 +0000

John,
If you give them fines, they are going to find ways to make the good even cheaper. Do you honestly think that would end child labor? It wouldn’t. The only way to get rid of third world problems is to stop trading with them. Tariffs won’t do a thing about child labor. The only thing they would do would is make their products price competetive with the factories in the US. Tarriffs could even encourage more use of child labor as they try to compete at a lower price.

By: JohnKonop

JohnKonop — Fri, 18 May 2007 11:26:05 +0000

caroline

Why?

BTW I never said cut off, I said fine the goods high enough to take away incentives not to cheat and violate human rights. If I follow your logic if some steals you would give then the goods and hope they stop.

By: caroline

caroline — Fri, 18 May 2007 11:20:39 +0000

John,
You completely misunderstood what I was saying.

Yes, you can’t control what is going on in other countries so the only way to deal with it is to cut off trade with them. Free trade as you describe it probably has never existed and never will. Under your definition of free trade we couldn’t trade with Europe or Canada.