Ron Paul Or Ronald Reagan?
Ron Paul: Real Conservatives Don’t Start Wars, They End Them
HP-Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX) recently gained fame for breaking one-day online donation records, but he’s still considered an underdog by many because of his single-digit polling and arguably radical views on a variety of issues. For one thing, he supports an immediate withdrawal from Iraq, a position that seems more at home with the Democrats these days. So why is he up there, debate after debate, standing out from the likes of Huckabee and Romney and McCain? Why isn’t he trying to fit in if he wants to win the primary? Is he even a Republican?
He told me he is–just not the same kind as the rest of them.
“I think their definitions are different,” he said. “Today, the Party has been taken over by a group called neoconservatives, and I don’t believe they’re really conservative. I think they’re really liberal in the modern sense of the word–they’re big spenders, they believe in entitlements, they believe in military adventurism.”
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Libs are loving the Paul movement. So much that they even promote him on HP and other socialist sites.
Reagan would vote for Paul today.
http://southernpoliticalreport.com/storylink_1227_99.aspx
“Reagan would vote for Paul today” — according to Matt Towery…LMAO! Check his record Chris, not exactly a top prognosticator…
Ron Paul called Reagan’s presidency a “dramatic failure” on MTP Sunday. Why would Reagan vote for a kook who disparages the most successful presidency in the 20th century?
Bart
If Liberals love Ron Paul why this article from the NYT?
FYI
Editors’ Note: The Ron Paul Vid-Lash
By The New York Times
A post in The Medium that appeared on Monday about the Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul and his purported adoption by white supremacist and neo-Nazi groups contained several errors. Stormfront, which describes itself as a “white nationalist” Internet community, did not give money to Ron Paul’s presidential campaign; according to Jesse Benton, a spokesman for Paul’s campaign, it was Don Black, the founder of Stormfront, who donated $500 to Paul. The original post also repeated a string of assertions by Bill White, the commander of the American National Socialist Workers Party, including the allegation that Paul meets regularly “with members of the Stormfront set, American Renaissance, the Institute for Historic Review and others” at a restaurant in Arlington, Va. Paul never attended these dinners, according to Benton, who also says that Paul has never knowingly met Bill White. Norman Singleton, a congressional aide in Paul’s office, says that he met Bill White at a dinner gathering of conservatives several years ago, after which Singleton expressed his indignation at the views espoused by White to the organizer of the dinner. The original post should not have been published with these unverified assertions and without any response from Paul.
I don’t know John, why don’t you enlighten me. I’m not sure what this article has to do with the fact that libs are donating to Paul’s campaign…help me understand.
Bart, which current presidential candidate most resembles the greatest president of the 20th Century from this speech?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=AHoOfcFM33c
Chris,
Why do you use the words of a man who your candidate claims was a “dramatic failure”?
As for the speech, Reagan correctly identifies a major threat to freedom and the importance of fighting communism. Unlike Paul, Reagan recognized the threat and eventually addressed it in a comprehensive manner so that the threat was ended. Paul would rather ignore the threat facing us today than do what it takes to thwart it.
Big difference…
Yes Bart, addressed the major threat of communism without firing a single shot or dropping a single bomb.
And if I’m not mistaken, the “dramatic failure” comment was directed towards Reagan’s policies that created huge deficits. He did NOT call Reagan’s overall presidency a dramatic failure, and in fact points to Reagan’s handling of the middle east as an example of what we should be doing now.
“without firing a single shot or dropping a single bomb”…hmm.
I guess Vietnam doesn’t count…or Grenada, or South America where Reagan went against the wishes of Congress to fund freedom fighters against communist regimes leading to mass democratization of many countries. Oh yeah, let’s not forget Afghanistan and the Mujahideen that fought the Soviets using weapons supplied by America.
Come on Chris. Saying the Cold War was ended “without firing a single shot or dropping a single bomb” is nothing more than a wishful soundbite. You know better.
Ron Paul distanced himself from Reagan after originally supporting him. Just like Ron Paul distances himself from all who accomplish anything. He and his supporters are in for a rude end to this fantasy campaign built upon the false notion that one person can go it alone to change America….it is not possible. It will take somebody like Reagan who can work with even his most ardent enemies, i.e. Tip O’Neil to accomplish good things for America. Ron Paul has no history of working with anybody.
Bart said
Why would Reagan vote for a kook who disparages the most successful presidency in the 20th century?
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Bart, he was a popular President, not a successful one. I thought he was a great communicator and had great intentions but, his Presidency was not a success because spending went up, he signed the bill increasing social security tax 54% and signed legislation that greatly increased spending just to get a few things he wanted through Congress.
What is “successful” about such a disaster to our long term national health? Sure, we can blame Congress but, he signed the bills.
The Social Security tax increase of 54% hit the low and middle income workers hard. Sure, they did it in steps but, the final result was the same, workers got hit and hit hard. Instead of demanding reform, he caved.
His big “praise,” the fall of Russia was going to happen anyway because like us, they had policies in place that were self-destructive. Now we face that same risk with our own policies. Who will take credit for our fall? Al-Qaeda for making us spend so much on foreign military action? For driving up the price of oil with their attacks and political unrest even though we have 200 years of oil here that is recoverable at these prices? Will it be China that will say, “we took American’s jobs and manufacturing and turned them into a weak, deep in debt, service society?
Reagan was not successful as a President because he failed to convince the people our nation had to reform or become what we have become, the world’s largest debtor nation after being the largest creditor nation.
quote:
Twenty years ago, the United States was the world’s largest creditor nation, unsurpassed in its ownership of assets outside of its borders, even after deducting what foreigners owned inside its borders.
“In the last 20 years, the United States has become the world’s largest debtor nation,” says Chinn, who served as a senior economist for international financial issues on the president’s Council of Economic Advisers during the Clinton and George W. Bush administrations.
Source
Let’s see, 20 years ago from the time of the article would be, 1985. Who was President then?
Much of the “prosperity” he was credited with was funded with deficit spending. That 54% tax increase mean more payroll tax to loan the general fund as is the case with all surplus payroll tax. Cut taxes in one place and then add more to people who weren’t even paying income tax in the first place due to wages low enough not to qualify for income tax.
Then add the payroll tax that is included in the prices low and middle class workers pay and you tax them again. That bit of smoke and mirrors with tax cuts while actually increasing taxes on low and middle class workers is not “successful leadership.”
He also ramped up defense spending which creates job and the appearance of “prosperity,” but again through government spending, not real private sector growth. Our “Prosperity” was done with debt and deficit spending.
I don’t know if President Reagan realized how much damage he was doing to low and middle class workers or not, but, you certainly can’t call what he did to workers as successful leadership.
Chris
Great video all should watch!
Would Reagan Vote for Ron Paul?
By Matt Towery
Sorry Chirs I did not see your link!
Jan Paul,
I am not going to get in an argument over Reagan’s tenure as president. He was one of if not the most successful presidents in our history. Picking nits to disparage his good name is not the theme of this thread.
My question stands, “Why would Reagan vote for a kook who disparages the most successful presidency in the 20th century?”
Bart-
It’s my guess that Jan Paul and the rest of the Paulites think it was “free” to end the cold war.
They find it amusing to disparage the most popular president (not to mention most successful) in the Nation’s history.
Laugh it off Bart. When the primaries are over, Paul can go back and do all the “wonderful” things he’s been doing as a Representative. Namely, he can bring home the bacon with the best of them while criticising others doing the same thing. He’s a first class hypocrite.
SgtMac
It is sad you and Bart are clueless about history! The cold war we never attacked Russia. And are biggest mistake was Vietnam. Also Afghanistan war is what brought Russia down.
But hey you and Bart never let facts get in the way of good spin job!
John
You have NO idea what you’re talking about. If you honestly think Afghanistan brought down the Soviet Union, you’re a bigger fool than I thought.
One other thing……despite what Al Swearingen will post, we didn’t cause Viet Nam either – also a conflict you know nothing about.
Go read up on the subject John. Maybe you’ll actually learn something. Spin that.
I am 30, have always been a Republican in a family of Democrats. I just listened to the speech by Reagan, and even though my mom and dad didn’t like him because of the economy at the time, I would have voted for him. He sounds just like Paul to me.
I agree with Reagan, the biggest threat to our nation is Socialism, not terrorism. Socialism, Debt, Federal Reserve, Fanniemae, Freddymac, DoEducation, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Foreign Adventurism. My parents and grandparents have spent me, my children, and my grandchildren into almost insurmountable debt. Something must be done before our entire tax revenue is only able to make the minimum payment on our debt service. I’m more afraid of being a debt slave, then being blown-up by terrorists.
Paul is the only choice. And Reagan would definitely voted for him.
SgtMac
WHO IS THE FOOL?
Wiki…The war had a profound impact in the Soviet Union, and has been cited as one of the key factors in the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991.[9]
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John
Wikipedia? HA! You just answered your own question.
SgtMac
The fact the Afghanistan war bankrupt Russia is known and not debated by historians. In fact that was the strategy from Congress and Reagan.
John,
You talk out of both sides of your mouth…you agree with the ridiculous statement that “no bullets were fired, no bombs dropped…” then write that the Afghan war bankrupted the USSR…please explain how the war was won without bullets and bombs….F’n DUH dude!
Bart
Not from the U.S. that was the point. As I said the Afghan war as a tipping point for Russia is widely known and not debated! The only debate I ever heard is who should get more credit Congressman Wilson or President Reagan.
It was the USSR that split John, not Russia (seems Fred Thompson was blasted for the same misstatement a few weeks back).
And I was first to post that on this site, not you…check #10.
The US supplied the Mujahideen with weapons (from your fav source Wiki — ‘The mujahideen were significantly financed, armed, and trained by the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) during the Carter and Reagan administrations). Weapons include bullets and bombs. Thus the US did in an indirect way attack the Soviet Union (simple example, there are many more).
You should read up before posting John.
John
Once again I must say that you know NOTHING about this. You act as though you’re an expert when nothing is further from the truth.
The Soviet Union was crumbling from within. Three or four world leaders came along to help the process, including Mikhail Gorbachev, and that was done with a real solid push from Ronald Reagan.
Instead of blathering like an idiot, here’s a few pieces to read that prove you know absolutely nothing. I’ll only include a few articles; after all, you’re good at finding crap to post about Reagan, Thatcher, Pope John Paul, and Lech Welesa, so maybe you can find a few things that show what heroes they really were when you post your mea culpa. (Yeah right)
http://www.time.com/time/time100/leaders/profile/walesa.html
http://opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110005204
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/04/02/pope.dies/
When you’re finsished with these, I suggest you do a bit of research on the U.S. ability to hit the Kremlin with ground launched cruise missiles based in Europe. (Google RAF Molesworth for example or RAF Greenham Common) It happened on or about June 1988. It was a short year later the Russians decided to pull the plug on the cold war and the Berlin Wall collapsed.
You can write all the revisionist crap you like John, but some of us were actually there when it happened and KNOW the truth.
I eagerly await your apology, but won’t hold my breath.
SgtMac
You making a fool out of yourself. Try using google you might find it an interesting tool.
John
How on earth did you ever think people would vote for you? You know absolutely NOTHING about the cold war.
SgtMac
I feel sorry for you that you do not understand cold war history. Go to any major university and ask any history professor about the effects of the afghan war on Russia. If they are right or left leaning they will educate you. Bless your heart!
John
It’s exactly for reasons like your last post that the People of the 6th district kicked you to the curb. You seem to think you’re smarter than everyone else and believe me, you’re not. Jeff Emmanual called it right on target, but you STILL haven’t learned a thing.
Did you even READ the links I provided? Did you read Bart’s post regarding the Muhjahideen? In case you’re not aware of it John (and CLEARLY you aren’t), the Soviet Union was considerably bigger than “Russia.”
One of us needs to do a bit of research John, but it’s not me.
“Bless your heart.”
Spin that you sanctimonious twit.