RON PAUL WINS DEBATE VIA C-SPAN
I was watching C-Span and it was clear from the callers he won the debate. Do you think Ron Paul won last night?
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He won over at DailyKos, for whatever that’s worth.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/6/5/215118/4926
You must be kidding!
I will give him credit for having a dedicated ground force that makes it appear as if he has significant support.
Did he buy an email list from you John?
John you have to watch these polls. He has won at MSNBC also but if you have 10 Paul supporters vote 10 times each…
What I find interesting is that Ron Paul does so well all on all sides. I think it is his raw honesty! I do not agree with all the time but appreciate the straight forwardness.
Would ever think a guy could win every online poll from MSNBC, FOX, WORDNET, C-SPAN callers and Daily KOS!
I think it is terrible that the main stream media refuses to treat him fairly!
Anyone know where I can find a transcript of the debate? I was putting my children to bed last night – far more important a task than watching politics, IMO – and I have no idea when I will have time to watch the video. But a transcript would be great.
Never mind – I found it!
http://www.kron.com/Global/story.asp?S=6620610&nav=menu130_1
Eric,
One of the money quotes, in my opinion, was when all the candidates were asked what America’s most serious moral issue was (or something to that effect).
Ron Paul said it was our relatively recent move to preemptive war as opposed to our history of abiding by the Christian Just War theory.
Terrific comment, I thought!
Ron Paul is popular with most people that aren’t GOP faithful. That really doesn’t make them right or wrong, just how politics work.
We have a nation that for 70 years has moved to a different set of principles that what we were founded on. Some moved right of them, some left. Some want more centralized power in both parties and some want less in both. Some want government to do more and some less.
But, the majority are probably so disoriented they don’t know what they want. They are waiting to be told what is good for them.
I disagree on the current needs in the Middle East with Ron Paul in some ways but, not in what got us to this point and in this mess. Most of this mess is due to our need for oil and our need for oil nations to sell oil in dollars after it began collapsing under the Bretton Woods policy.
Ron Paul is standing mostly on founding principles and they aren’t popular by most voters. Even in the few left in the Republican party, there is a large split in what the role of the Federal Government should be.
Ron Paul seems to be popular outside the hard line faithful in both parties. He has said he won’t run 3rd party and that is good news for those in the GOP running. I wonder who he would hurt most if he did run third party? Would more democrats unhappy with their party move to him or GOP voters? What if all the unhappy in both parties moved to him in a general election. How close would he get to the front runners? 10% of the vote, 20%?
The GOP candidates don’t have to worry about Paul in the primaries. The do have to worry if he changes his mind and runs 3rd party. They also have to worry if any conservative runs 3rd party. Even a 2% or 3% Constitution Party or Libertarian party pull could be enough to throw the election to the Democrats if the immigration issue and war issue is still hot.
I see no plans by the GOP to counter that, so far. They seem to believe that because they believe they are doing the right thing, that will be enough. Yet, they seem to keep losing ground the harder they try to convince the voters they are right.
But, the GOP is good at strong campaigns just before an election and then seem to forget communicating well with the voters the rest of the time. (speaking national level more than on the state level). So, maybe they will pull all stops out once they have a nominee.
Here’s a Ron Paul clip where he touches on the “Just War” theory. And for those of you in Rio Linda, “Just War” means JUSTIFIABLE war, not “hey dude, it’s just war”.
http://tectonicforces.blogspot.com/2006/08/ron-paul-r-tx.html
I think he should team up with Dennis Kucinich for a riveting independent ticket with real one two punch.
Now that would be pure entertainment Emery…the Paul / Kucinich kumbaya ticket with Rodney “can’t we all just get along” King as campaign manager.
C=SPAN has long been hijacked by agenda driven ideologues. I listen to Washington Journal most mornings and am amazed at the people who get through. C-SPAN is perhaps the most unadulterated format for activists to insert their platforms. I’ve heard ridiculous rants from both sides on C-SPAN and apparently, their screeners adhere to no standards. After watching for a period of time, I have become adept at recognizing “screen callers” and all out fakes. For example, several who attempt to portray themselves as the stereotypical “right winged” Bush suppporter complete with fake southern accent and calling for “prayer for our President”. C-SPAN has become the format for vapid ideologues to scew public opinion.
CNN – Many Questions to Answer About the GOP Debate
Thursday, June 07, 2007 – FreeMarketNews.com
Opinion/Analysis
During the recent presidential debates – certainly the Republican one – CNN executives gave “second tier” candidates less time and exposure than “first tier” candidates.
They did so without informing the public and in fact seemingly misled the public during the debates and afterward about their actions and intentions.
After the recent Republican presidential debate, CNN executives evidently manipulated internal political polls, made it difficult for the public to find information on the real “winner” – small-government conservative Congressman Ron Paul (R-Tex), according to widespread Internet results.
But in their apparently earnest desire to ensure that a message of freedom and individual human action continues to be ignored in the American political conversation, CNN executives have inadvertently exhibited an astonishing clumsiness.
There is no harm in operating with an agenda, so long as it stated. But to maintain, as CNN executives seem to do, that the company has no “opinion” about the news and does not seek to sway public opinion – and then to work covertly to influence public opinion, raises numerous questions of media morality – many of which, unfortunately, have been raised before.
Consider the following, about the recent GOP debate hosted by CNN:
-GOP candidates were seated so that the “first tier’ candidates had center stage.
-Second tier candidates received, in some cases, only half as much time as first tier candidates.
-CNN moderators stated continuously that “all” would have a chance to answer every question, but then ran out of time before these promises could be kept.
After the debate, behavior that seemed to marginalize certain candidates – especially Ron Paul – was just as obvious.
-CNN anchors spent a good deal of time interviewing “major” candidates, but far less time with increasingly popular “second tier” candidates. The fervant support of some second-tier candidates on the ‘Net – especially free-market proponent Ron Paul – is a major news story, but one that CNN virtuallyl ignored.
-CNN put up a “visual’ after the debate but then promptly pulled it. At the time it was pulled, it apparently showed candidate Ron Paul (R-Tex) winning the debate by a significant majority.
-Later, CNN put up a web-based comments page about the debate but took that down, as well. The “vanished” comment page has been posted at several alternative news websites. It features numerous positive comments about Ron Paul’s performance.
http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=43097
-CNN has also seemingly made it fairly difficult to find its web-based GOP Poll on the debate’s winner. Once again, Ron Paul is firmly entrenched as the leader, and in several other Internet polls as well.
Without the Internet, much of the above would not be obvious, or at least less so. But CNN’s actions have been widely reported on the ‘Net and read about by millions.
CNN executives should respond. They need to respond. Of course, the CNN response, whatever it is, (and underlings would surely get much of the blame, if blame is apportioned) would likely provide further evidence of how mainstream media’s hold is cracking. And why viewers continue to turn to the Internet for news and information.
Why is the media scared of Ron Paul.
Why do Paul supporters insist that he won debates when we all know it is a very small group of them corrupting internet polls?
I believe he is hugely popular but not with Republicans. CNN is not a Republican station. It is liberal and independent and since they didn’t have Democrats to vote for, they are going to vote for the candidate that appealed to them the most.
When Paul is interviewed before live audiences that are the type found on Bill Maher show, he gets rounds of applause on every stance he takes.
Independents far outnumber Republicans so it isn’t surprising that poll that isn’t limited to Republicans is going to have Ron Paul rank very high among them.
Why would that surprise you. The GOP is losing more and more members to that group every day. It is more of a “we don’t like the rest of the GOP” than we like Ron Paul. Much of it is the war stance he has.
The GOP is very unpopular for what has happened in Iraq and more and more people are joining the “we were wrong in policy” group. Whether that is true or not doesn’t matter. Voters are basing their views on emotions and the Democrats have convinced them that the U.S. was wrong.
This isn’t really about Ron Paul as much as the animosity coming out for the GOP by voters who don’t study issues. They just vote based on a gut feeling created by the media.
Others do study the issue and believe that Ron Paul isn’t saying we deserved the attacks but that 40-50 years of bad policy created the groups like al-Qaeda that did attack us. They believe our policies are what gave them the weapons and power to begin with that led to this point in time.
Where I disagree with Paul is not how we got here, he is right, but, what to do now. I think we are forced to complete that job. I am in the minority it appears. More and more are saying withdraw. I believe if we do, it will make things worse but, that doesn’t mean the majority believe that.
I believe we are now at the point that no matter what we do, we will be hated or at least lose respect by the majority of nations in the world. We now face a real test in Iran and people don’t believe it is a threat to us and don’t seem to care it is a threat to the stability of the Middle-East.
Yet, any more instability will only drive oil prices higher and hurry the recession we are facing with a slowing economy from inflation of fuel prices, loss of home value and rising interest rates on the open market.
Bart
Do you have any proof?
Jan
Why is he doing so well on World NET Daily?
I think the GOP is kidding itself on the amount of Republicans against the war.
I think Ron Paul is right the base is getting smaller!
quote:
“Do you approve or disapprove of the way Bush is handling the situation in Iraq?”
67-70% disapprove
“Who do you trust to do a better job handling the situation in Iraq: Bush or the Democrats in Congress?” Options rotated
51% say Democrats down from last time when 58% said they thought Democrats would be better.
“All in all, considering the costs to the United States versus the benefits to the United States, do you think the war with Iraq was worth fighting, or not?”
61% say it isn’t worth fighting
“Do you think the war with Iraq has or has not contributed to the long-term security of the United States?”
53% say it has not
“Do you think the number of U.S. military forces in Iraq should be increased, decreased, or kept about the same?”
55% say decreased.
“Do you think the United States is or is not making significant progress toward restoring civil order in Iraq?”
64% is not
http://pollingreport.com/iraq.htm
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The majority of hard core Republicans stand by the President on this. What this may show then is that about 60% of the population doesn’t have a lot of support for him since Republicans are only about 25% and even some of them aren’t supportive but a few who aren’t Republican are supportive, I believe.
That is why Ron Paul is popular with independents and Liberals but not Republicans dedicated to supporting the President. And as more leave the ranks of Republicans, the more he will stand less of a chance of being nominated but rise in popularity in independent ranks who even if they don’t particularly like him will support him for being “anti-war.” Isn’t this similar to what we saw undermine the efforts to win the war in Vietnam?
Again, being right doesn’t count if you can’t convince voters you are right.
“The majority of hard core Republicans stand by the President”
I agree
Also I think Independents are growing.
And you are right they agree with Ron Paul and do not trust Hillary!
John,
Here’s some links that talk about Ron Paul supporters corrupting online polls:
http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/05/09/ron-paul-supporters-poll-spammers/
http://www.gopbloggers.org/mt/archives/004907.php
It seems Paul only ranks high when it is a self-participating poll and does poorly when it is a traditionally administered telephone survey.
hoads
I’m not saying it didn’t happen, but clearly net based polls are going to skew toward Ron Paul in relation to the average voter, based on the fact that Ron Paul Is NUMERO UNO IN THE BLOGOSPHERE!!!
As to multiple votes coming from one IP, apparently more than one person can share the same IP:
IP addresses can appear to be shared by multiple client devices either because they are part of a shared hosting web server environment or because a proxy server (e.g., an ISP or anonymizer service) acts as an intermediary agent on behalf of its customers, in which case the real originating IP addresses might be hidden from the server receiving a request.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_address
And I’m a Ron Paul supporter but haven’t voted at all. (I’m trying to avoid jury duty)
Polling Place lists some of the various mainstream polls.
http://pollingreport.com/wh08rep.htm
None have Paul currently above 1%. Again, on a station like CNN, the “faithful” will not like any of the top candidates that would threaten Hillary/Obama/Edwards, or they are trying to “punish” the leaders who support staying the course in the Iraq war by supporting Paul. There is still a very angry base out there trying to tell the GOP front runners they want to be listened to even if when it comes to actual voting, they may end up supporting one of them.
The first primary will be the only true test of popularity among Republicans and without over at least 5%, I can’t see him continuing as a Republican candidate. If it is over 5% then he may try another primary or two. If he is going to hold to his word and not run third party, he is not going to be much of a factor.
If he does run, he may pull more away from the Democrats than from the GOP. But, the independent vote is going to be the determining factor in that case and the GOP needs 60% or more of them to win to overcome the lead in the “faithful” the Democrats have.
Ron Paul wouldn’t even be this much of an issue had the war in Iraq and the war on terror been “marketed” properly to the American people. Instead, it might have been Tancredo or another 2nd tier candidate and mainly the immigration issue that was the biggest problem.
But, Paul is making waves with the organization he has, and you have to give him credit for doing some things the others should have been doing. Getting a core of warriors that would do what Paul’s organization does for him should have been the first effort of each of the candidates. Why aren’t the “warriors” for Romney or Giuliani doing the same for them? Aren’t they fired up, too?
Their lack of use of the internet, grassroots organizations, fringe talk shows, etc. is hurting them. Instead, they are relying on the normal fund raisers and marketing to get their message out. Ron Paul is getting things done for free that the others have to pay to get done, it seems. Why?
With good marketing tactics even a minority can change a lot of people’s minds on an issue.
John asked: ‘Do you have any proof?’
Yes -> 1%-2% -> Ron Paul’s best polling results.
He has a cult following, a relatively small, but very dedicated cult. Those who think America should surrender now and never again engage our enemies.
I support much of his economic / small govt. agenda if only he had a clue about how to deal with terrorism which IS THE #1 ISSUE, he might have a chance. But anybody who thinks it is our fault for 9/11 and that Iran is not a threat to world peace just doesn’t get it.
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Ron Paul won, no questions, hands down. The issue now is whether the neocon controlled media will even mention his name.
BTW, Bill: thanks for the RP “just war” tideo. Excellent.
um… that would be Video.
(blush)