Comments on: The father of the Conservative Movement http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/the-father-of-the-conservative-movement Control Congress is a multi-partisan, issue-oriented political forum that brings together the Left, Right, and everyone in between. Fri, 19 Mar 2010 04:39:41 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: LeftHook http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/the-father-of-the-conservative-movement/comment-page-1#comment-741 LeftHook Sun, 15 Oct 2006 16:21:13 +0000 http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/the-father-of-the-conservative-movement#comment-741 It hardly matters whether Goldwater would be embraced by today’s GOP. The Goldwater-to-Bush II cycle would likely repeat itself because conservatives are (1) selfish, black-and-white, immature thinkers drawn to policies that identify themselves as the good people and that penalize or attack “the others” as bad people. Also, people that are attracted to conservatism tend to be attracted to authoritarianism and thus easy to manipulate. Thankfully though, people learn and times change. Bush has shown the world where conservatism logically leads. Because of Bush and his supporters, in the future, fewer and fewer Americans will act on any conservative tendencies they may experience. It hardly matters whether Goldwater would be embraced by today’s GOP. The Goldwater-to-Bush II cycle would likely repeat itself because conservatives are (1) selfish, black-and-white, immature thinkers drawn to policies that identify themselves as the good people and that penalize or attack “the others” as bad people. Also, people that are attracted to conservatism tend to be attracted to authoritarianism and thus easy to manipulate.

Thankfully though, people learn and times change. Bush has shown the world where conservatism logically leads. Because of Bush and his supporters, in the future, fewer and fewer Americans will act on any conservative tendencies they may experience.

]]> By: JohnKonop http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/the-father-of-the-conservative-movement/comment-page-1#comment-676 JohnKonop Sat, 14 Oct 2006 23:00:04 +0000 http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/the-father-of-the-conservative-movement#comment-676 James, As a father I am torn about this issue. I do not want the school teaching my kids about the gay life style. Yet I do think gay people should have legal rights in terms of wills like anybody else. James,

As a father I am torn about this issue. I do not want the school teaching my kids about the gay life style. Yet I do think gay people should have legal rights in terms of wills like anybody else.

]]> By: James http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/the-father-of-the-conservative-movement/comment-page-1#comment-668 James Sat, 14 Oct 2006 22:14:54 +0000 http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/the-father-of-the-conservative-movement#comment-668 I can't wait to see what you will do when the social liberals like Ted Kennedy bring these issues flush with small business concerns. The Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA) would extend federal employment discrimination protections that are currently provided on race, religion, gender, national origin, age, and disability to cover sexual orientation and gender identity. They've been trying to sneak this through for a while. Ted even tried to sneak it through just a couple of days after 9/11... I again point out that if you abstain from a vote or vote against social conservatives, you might as well be part of the "Flying Toe Pickle" party. You will be viewed right along side of the radical, social liberals. I can’t wait to see what you will do when the social liberals like Ted Kennedy bring these issues flush with small business concerns. The Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA) would extend federal employment discrimination protections that are currently provided on race, religion, gender, national origin, age, and disability to cover sexual orientation and gender identity. They’ve been trying to sneak this through for a while. Ted even tried to sneak it through just a couple of days after 9/11…

I again point out that if you abstain from a vote or vote against social conservatives, you might as well be part of the “Flying Toe Pickle” party. You will be viewed right along side of the radical, social liberals.

]]> By: Bob http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/the-father-of-the-conservative-movement/comment-page-1#comment-631 Bob Sat, 14 Oct 2006 11:02:21 +0000 http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/the-father-of-the-conservative-movement#comment-631 James, I agree with John. We cannot win if we split up! James,

I agree with John. We cannot win if we split up!

]]> By: JohnKonop http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/the-father-of-the-conservative-movement/comment-page-1#comment-625 JohnKonop Sat, 14 Oct 2006 08:42:31 +0000 http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/the-father-of-the-conservative-movement#comment-625 James, You are right I do "opt out of supporting a federal marriage amendment because of your philosophical adherence to the idea of federalism and state sovereignty" I also think it is being used like other issues to stop from us talking about economic issues like, ,spending, trade, immigration......that will hurt our kids future. I also do like Barney Frank making laws in Georgia, and I am sure people in Mass. do not like Phil Gingrey making law for them on social issues This does not stop anyone’s right to argue at a local level. It now gets the Congress to focus on pocket book issues and the war. James,

You are right I do “opt out of supporting a federal marriage amendment because of your philosophical adherence to the idea of federalism and state sovereignty”

I also think it is being used like other issues to stop from us talking about economic issues like, ,spending, trade, immigration……that will hurt our kids future.

I also do like Barney Frank making laws in Georgia, and I am sure people in Mass. do not like Phil Gingrey making law for them on social issues

This does not stop anyone’s right to argue at a local level. It now gets the Congress to focus on pocket book issues and the war.

]]> By: Bill http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/the-father-of-the-conservative-movement/comment-page-1#comment-621 Bill Sat, 14 Oct 2006 07:24:37 +0000 http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/the-father-of-the-conservative-movement#comment-621 If Goldwater could make it past the media and the status quo the average Joe Republican would welcome him with open arms. If Goldwater could make it past the media and the status quo the average Joe Republican would welcome him with open arms.

]]> By: James http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/the-father-of-the-conservative-movement/comment-page-1#comment-608 James Sat, 14 Oct 2006 02:15:18 +0000 http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/the-father-of-the-conservative-movement#comment-608 JohnKonop, What I'm saying is, If you want to opt out of supporting a federal marriage amendment because of your philisophical adherence to the idea of federalism and state sovereignty, you are still not supporting traditional marriage. The reason you decline to support it is not important. If you want to say that some point of political theory has molded your choice vs. some concerted social agenda, the end result is the same. I think it was Dante that said, “The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in times of great moral crises maintain their neutrality”. JohnKonop,

What I’m saying is, If you want to opt out of supporting a federal marriage amendment because of your philisophical adherence to the idea of federalism and state sovereignty, you are still not supporting traditional marriage.

The reason you decline to support it is not important.

If you want to say that some point of political theory has molded your choice vs. some concerted social agenda, the end result is the same.

I think it was Dante that said, “The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in times of great moral crises maintain their neutrality”.

]]> By: caroline http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/the-father-of-the-conservative-movement/comment-page-1#comment-606 caroline Sat, 14 Oct 2006 01:35:56 +0000 http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/the-father-of-the-conservative-movement#comment-606 John, Big business is the engine of the GOP. Look at how many CEO's are Bush Pioneers. There is already legislation on the books. Bush won't enforce the law. John,
Big business is the engine of the GOP. Look at how many CEO’s are Bush Pioneers. There is already legislation on the books. Bush won’t enforce the law.

]]> By: JohnKonop http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/the-father-of-the-conservative-movement/comment-page-1#comment-605 JohnKonop Sat, 14 Oct 2006 01:17:34 +0000 http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/the-father-of-the-conservative-movement#comment-605 caroline, I would agree with you, but this immigration issue hits the democrat base hard. I understand the unions want the memebers and big business wants the cheap labor. But at the end both Parties are taking blood money from the homes of Middle Class families! Democrates are kidding only themselfs if they do not think this will bite them! caroline,

I would agree with you, but this immigration issue hits the democrat base hard. I understand the unions want the memebers and big business wants the cheap labor.

But at the end both Parties are taking blood money from the homes of Middle Class families!

Democrates are kidding only themselfs if they do not think this will bite them!

]]> By: caroline http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/the-father-of-the-conservative-movement/comment-page-1#comment-603 caroline Sat, 14 Oct 2006 01:12:13 +0000 http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/the-father-of-the-conservative-movement#comment-603 I see it more with the GOP than with the Dems. We've already had that happen and most of the people who voted third party now regret it. It's probably time for the GOP to have it happen. I see it more with the GOP than with the Dems. We’ve already had that happen and most of the people who voted third party now regret it. It’s probably time for the GOP to have it happen.

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