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		<title>By: Jan Paul</title>
		<link>http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/who-won-the-debate#comment-63170</link>
		<dc:creator>Jan Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, don't be surprised at other reforms that surprise those who elected them.  The biggest road block to reform has been neither party wanting the other to get credit for anything.

We will have to see but, they may be in a position where they have to reform or see the economy collapse and the government lack the funds it needs for social spending.

A lot depends on what happens between now and January 2009 when the new President takes office and how the economy is doing.  The next Congress may have no choice but enact sweeping reforms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, don&#8217;t be surprised at other reforms that surprise those who elected them.  The biggest road block to reform has been neither party wanting the other to get credit for anything.</p>
<p>We will have to see but, they may be in a position where they have to reform or see the economy collapse and the government lack the funds it needs for social spending.</p>
<p>A lot depends on what happens between now and January 2009 when the new President takes office and how the economy is doing.  The next Congress may have no choice but enact sweeping reforms.</p>
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		<title>By: Jan Paul</title>
		<link>http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/who-won-the-debate#comment-63169</link>
		<dc:creator>Jan Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Better hope for some changes on "super Tuesday."

However, with the same Congress, what can any President really accomplish in the way of needed reforms in the Tax code, entitlements, etc.

Although if it is a Dem. Pres and Congress, they may actually work on Social Security as long as they get the credit for doing it.

The previous attempt under Bush wasn't because they didn't want reform but because they didn't want the GOP to get credit for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Better hope for some changes on &#8220;super Tuesday.&#8221;</p>
<p>However, with the same Congress, what can any President really accomplish in the way of needed reforms in the Tax code, entitlements, etc.</p>
<p>Although if it is a Dem. Pres and Congress, they may actually work on Social Security as long as they get the credit for doing it.</p>
<p>The previous attempt under Bush wasn&#8217;t because they didn&#8217;t want reform but because they didn&#8217;t want the GOP to get credit for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Oliva</title>
		<link>http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/who-won-the-debate#comment-63168</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Oliva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The elites, RINO's, &#38; the GOP establishment have chosen their candidate.  What a sorry mess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The elites, RINO&#8217;s, &amp; the GOP establishment have chosen their candidate.  What a sorry mess.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
		<link>http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/who-won-the-debate#comment-63161</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 02:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GAPatriot,
I usually go to that event, but will boycott this year.  Sadie Fields is a Neo-Con, and when she invited David Horowitz as the key note speaker, that was the last straw.  (I hope you are aware of the book "The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy"? - it's all true!)

These folks are "Isralie Firsters", and as I'm an American, I want no part of them.  Unfortunately, the evangelicals are getting sucked in, hook, line, and sinker.

I agree, it would be a good opportunity to tell Isakson and Chambliss to their faces what I think, but that opportunity might now even arise.  These types very much like to limit their exposure to patriots!  Thanks for the suggestion and am sorry I won't get to meet you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GAPatriot,<br />
I usually go to that event, but will boycott this year.  Sadie Fields is a Neo-Con, and when she invited David Horowitz as the key note speaker, that was the last straw.  (I hope you are aware of the book &#8220;The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy&#8221;? - it&#8217;s all true!)</p>
<p>These folks are &#8220;Isralie Firsters&#8221;, and as I&#8217;m an American, I want no part of them.  Unfortunately, the evangelicals are getting sucked in, hook, line, and sinker.</p>
<p>I agree, it would be a good opportunity to tell Isakson and Chambliss to their faces what I think, but that opportunity might now even arise.  These types very much like to limit their exposure to patriots!  Thanks for the suggestion and am sorry I won&#8217;t get to meet you.</p>
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		<title>By: GaPatriot</title>
		<link>http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/who-won-the-debate#comment-63153</link>
		<dc:creator>GaPatriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 02:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/who-won-the-debate#comment-63153</guid>
		<description>Hugh,

For only $30 you can lunch with Saxby and Johnny at the GA Christian Alliance lunch Sat.  McClown might be there as well. Already have tickets - my husband and I will be wearing our "Where's the Fence?" shirts.  With all this immigration invasion has cost us (hit by unlicensed driver and lost job to H1B visa half price engineer), its a bargain to meet my traitors face to face.  Go to their website.

Not much of a price to pay - look at the Ramos/Compean situation.

No, they do not care what you think.  Saxby is up for re-election and no one is a real challenge to him.  So where is the price he paid for his treason?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hugh,</p>
<p>For only $30 you can lunch with Saxby and Johnny at the GA Christian Alliance lunch Sat.  McClown might be there as well. Already have tickets - my husband and I will be wearing our &#8220;Where&#8217;s the Fence?&#8221; shirts.  With all this immigration invasion has cost us (hit by unlicensed driver and lost job to H1B visa half price engineer), its a bargain to meet my traitors face to face.  Go to their website.</p>
<p>Not much of a price to pay - look at the Ramos/Compean situation.</p>
<p>No, they do not care what you think.  Saxby is up for re-election and no one is a real challenge to him.  So where is the price he paid for his treason?</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
		<link>http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/who-won-the-debate#comment-63143</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/who-won-the-debate#comment-63143</guid>
		<description>Here's what American Patrol says about McCain in today's feature:
http://tinyurl.com/275lrd

Check out the embedded links.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s what American Patrol says about McCain in today&#8217;s feature:<br />
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/275lrd" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/275lrd</a></p>
<p>Check out the embedded links.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
		<link>http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/who-won-the-debate#comment-63142</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/who-won-the-debate#comment-63142</guid>
		<description>SgtMac, re your post #6:

Great post!  My only comment is a question - why do you use the expression "good Senator"?  He's a sorry Traitor (again, nothing negative about his prior military service!) I will make those phone calls to Isakson and Chambliss tomorrow and I won't mince words.  I already spoke with Isakson some months ago and told him his prior actions re "amnesty" betrayed America.  I even gave out a handout to all their at the meeting, saying the same thing.  Guesss Johnny doesn't care what the citizens think?!

And SgtMac, Bravo on your post #19 where you said you would write in a name before voting for McCain!

We do have some common ground!(as you've noted before)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SgtMac, re your post #6:</p>
<p>Great post!  My only comment is a question - why do you use the expression &#8220;good Senator&#8221;?  He&#8217;s a sorry Traitor (again, nothing negative about his prior military service!) I will make those phone calls to Isakson and Chambliss tomorrow and I won&#8217;t mince words.  I already spoke with Isakson some months ago and told him his prior actions re &#8220;amnesty&#8221; betrayed America.  I even gave out a handout to all their at the meeting, saying the same thing.  Guesss Johnny doesn&#8217;t care what the citizens think?!</p>
<p>And SgtMac, Bravo on your post #19 where you said you would write in a name before voting for McCain!</p>
<p>We do have some common ground!(as you&#8217;ve noted before)</p>
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		<title>By: Aubrey</title>
		<link>http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/who-won-the-debate#comment-63136</link>
		<dc:creator>Aubrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/who-won-the-debate#comment-63136</guid>
		<description>Chris,

Paul got 3% of the Florida primary.  He's almost a non-issue.  Sorry.  I was upset too when I realized my candidate (Thompson) wasn't gonna make it.  Like I said, the best thing about Paul is the awareness to economic frugality and his constitutionalist approach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,</p>
<p>Paul got 3% of the Florida primary.  He&#8217;s almost a non-issue.  Sorry.  I was upset too when I realized my candidate (Thompson) wasn&#8217;t gonna make it.  Like I said, the best thing about Paul is the awareness to economic frugality and his constitutionalist approach.</p>
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		<title>By: SgtMac</title>
		<link>http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/who-won-the-debate#comment-63130</link>
		<dc:creator>SgtMac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/who-won-the-debate#comment-63130</guid>
		<description>Chris

You're a typical ideologue who knows nothing of National Defense. I recommend you do a bit of research before you post your drivel.

YOU may think it's fine and dandy to let our National Defense suffer because you disagree with the current posture in Iraq, but YOU and people like YOU will be the first ones to complain when we're unable to defend ourselves. There are thousands of people who work very hard to ensure this Country has the best equipment on the planet and you may not like it, but it has to be paid for. YOU may call that a "hand out," I call it the federal governments Constitutional duty. Recommend you take a look at the Constitution under "Provide for the National Defense." and maybe you'll learn something.

People don't like replacing the roof on their homes, but they do it to keep out the elements even though it's an expensive proposition. The same holds true for securing the Nation. Freedom isn't free. You Paul heads seem to think the Constitution is fine when it suits you, but ignore it at its very core because of your wrong-headed ideology.

Keep trumpetting the "Ron Paul" message. See how far it gets you in Novemeber.

GA Patriot - 

You are correct. McCain called anyone who disagrees with his amnesty plan a bigot.

Real Americans were able to stop the train last summer, but I'm afraid it's moving again and its got a full head of steam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris</p>
<p>You&#8217;re a typical ideologue who knows nothing of National Defense. I recommend you do a bit of research before you post your drivel.</p>
<p>YOU may think it&#8217;s fine and dandy to let our National Defense suffer because you disagree with the current posture in Iraq, but YOU and people like YOU will be the first ones to complain when we&#8217;re unable to defend ourselves. There are thousands of people who work very hard to ensure this Country has the best equipment on the planet and you may not like it, but it has to be paid for. YOU may call that a &#8220;hand out,&#8221; I call it the federal governments Constitutional duty. Recommend you take a look at the Constitution under &#8220;Provide for the National Defense.&#8221; and maybe you&#8217;ll learn something.</p>
<p>People don&#8217;t like replacing the roof on their homes, but they do it to keep out the elements even though it&#8217;s an expensive proposition. The same holds true for securing the Nation. Freedom isn&#8217;t free. You Paul heads seem to think the Constitution is fine when it suits you, but ignore it at its very core because of your wrong-headed ideology.</p>
<p>Keep trumpetting the &#8220;Ron Paul&#8221; message. See how far it gets you in Novemeber.</p>
<p>GA Patriot - </p>
<p>You are correct. McCain called anyone who disagrees with his amnesty plan a bigot.</p>
<p>Real Americans were able to stop the train last summer, but I&#8217;m afraid it&#8217;s moving again and its got a full head of steam</p>
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		<title>By: Jan Paul</title>
		<link>http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/who-won-the-debate#comment-63122</link>
		<dc:creator>Jan Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 21:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/who-won-the-debate#comment-63122</guid>
		<description>The article I just sent you got me to thinking.
 
The Liberals so screwed up their states, especially in the metro areas that they are bailing out.  They are being replaced by legal and illegal immigrants.  But, rather than admit they screwed it up, they are going to new places and demanding the same things they used to mess up their own state.
 
Last year, Massachusetts was the only the state in the union to lose population. This year, three's company; neighboring states New York and Rhode Island join Massachusetts as the big losers.

Mass. 6,398,743 -0.1
N.Y. 19,254,630 -0.1
R.I. 1,076,189 -0.3
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That came out in 2005.   
 
This came out last year
The Census Bureau has released its population estimates change for the year between July 1, 2006 and July 1, 2007. The 10 fastest growing states are those that have typically voted for Republican presidential candidates in the last 20 to 30 years and tend to have more fiscally conservative state governments. Most of the liberal northeast take up the anchor positions. Michigan and Rhode Island were the only two states to actually lose population, and for the second year in a row.
===================================
 
The fact that some of the Blue states didn't lose population is due to immigration according to some articles I read (don't know if that is actually true so maybe you that live in those states can say "yay or nay."  California, I recently read, would be losing population if not for legal and illegal immigration out-numbering departures.
 
What this is doing is taking GOP states, especially states that were only slightly GOP and turning them into Democrat party states.  Add the general trend of the nation to the left under socialist policies and constant propaganda the Federal Government's job is to make life "fair," and you have why this nation is headed deeper into trouble regardless of who gets the job of President.  Congress will reflect those changes and they aren't good.    This isn't just about a disagreement over policies or one party better than the other (both are bad) but an entire shift of thinking for the role of the Federal Government.   This is "democracy in action," and no longer a Republic protecting the nation's borders and uniting the states in common defense of it.   Thus, as a democracy, we are in deeper trouble than most know.   As I posted in an earlier comments, John Adams and other founders greatly feared a democracy.  
"Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide." - 
  --  John Adams</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article I just sent you got me to thinking.</p>
<p>The Liberals so screwed up their states, especially in the metro areas that they are bailing out.  They are being replaced by legal and illegal immigrants.  But, rather than admit they screwed it up, they are going to new places and demanding the same things they used to mess up their own state.</p>
<p>Last year, Massachusetts was the only the state in the union to lose population. This year, three&#8217;s company; neighboring states New York and Rhode Island join Massachusetts as the big losers.</p>
<p>Mass. 6,398,743 -0.1<br />
N.Y. 19,254,630 -0.1<br />
R.I. 1,076,189 -0.3<br />
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That came out in 2005.   </p>
<p>This came out last year<br />
The Census Bureau has released its population estimates change for the year between July 1, 2006 and July 1, 2007. The 10 fastest growing states are those that have typically voted for Republican presidential candidates in the last 20 to 30 years and tend to have more fiscally conservative state governments. Most of the liberal northeast take up the anchor positions. Michigan and Rhode Island were the only two states to actually lose population, and for the second year in a row.<br />
===================================</p>
<p>The fact that some of the Blue states didn&#8217;t lose population is due to immigration according to some articles I read (don&#8217;t know if that is actually true so maybe you that live in those states can say &#8220;yay or nay.&#8221;  California, I recently read, would be losing population if not for legal and illegal immigration out-numbering departures.</p>
<p>What this is doing is taking GOP states, especially states that were only slightly GOP and turning them into Democrat party states.  Add the general trend of the nation to the left under socialist policies and constant propaganda the Federal Government&#8217;s job is to make life &#8220;fair,&#8221; and you have why this nation is headed deeper into trouble regardless of who gets the job of President.  Congress will reflect those changes and they aren&#8217;t good.    This isn&#8217;t just about a disagreement over policies or one party better than the other (both are bad) but an entire shift of thinking for the role of the Federal Government.   This is &#8220;democracy in action,&#8221; and no longer a Republic protecting the nation&#8217;s borders and uniting the states in common defense of it.   Thus, as a democracy, we are in deeper trouble than most know.   As I posted in an earlier comments, John Adams and other founders greatly feared a democracy.<br />
&#8220;Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.&#8221; -<br />
  &#8212;  John Adams</p>
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